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Only thing to do is cross him in carefully... I can't imagine it's anything much more than severe inbreeding that causes some of these breeds to do so poorly. They're all lovely birds, they look like they'll produce really well together.

boehoeeee....the silver male in the first post died this week. his head turned purple and it was done and over in 2 days..i suppose heartfailure. such a shame, i didn't get to grow offspring of him in large numbers. Just 1 chick lively under a hen and 20 eggs in the machine now that hopefully hatch well beginning of April. Fingers crossed...

Hi Wanda
I can feel with you, but I hope there will be some offspring in the incubator.
Tom

Capsaicin can improve cardiovascular function. Probably depending on how severe the issue I suppose. You'd need to feed at least 90,000 heat unit Cayenne powder to work. Probably about 1/4 tsp. every couple days should do the trick if it's going to work at all. Maybe something worth trying if it looks like it may happen again to another bird at some point.

Hoping for good results for you with the eggs!


David

well..from the batch of 24 in the machine and another batch of 14 under a hen and the results are 3 chicks ..not a very good score, but pleased to have chick at all.

Was that from the pures or from your revitalization project birds?


David

both....

but the minohiki don't do well either with hatchingrates this year, AND i have some egg eating hens now, never had those before.

Some years are that way with my Tuzo too. Some years they just don't do as well as others. Have you tried any ping pong balls or dummy eggs to discourage the egg eating?


David

That always works for me...Also trim the beak back a little also on the hen that does it. The egg won't break as easy with a blunt trim....TMA

well it's definitely my machine that pulls down hatchingsucces. I can't figure where i'm goiing wrong, most eggs develop the whole way but the chicks just don't come out or they started and die anyway. Some do hatch succesfully. Under the hen most eggs hatch just fine.

the 3 chicks (mentioned above) that made it do just fine. The oldest is a tiny copy of the big silver above, and allready a spread tail.

I've not yet tried a cabinet type incubator to know first hand how they do, but I have heard good things about the Sportsman series if you need to hatch large quantities of chicks.

If, like me, you hatch smaller quantities, a styrofoam hovabator will work great. I soon grew tired of the manual thermostat one and as soon as the automatic pre-set thermostat version hit the market I got one. It has been well worth it. No thermostat adjusting, ever. It stays more accurate than the thermometer that was included with it. I typically get 80-100% hatch rate with it.

I don't know how you would get around the electric conversion, but if you don't have a pre-set incubator already, I would look into a conversion method for running one on your electric system there. I wouldn't switch back to a manual thermostat for anything!


David

If you are having trouble incubating, the easiest fix is to just get yourself some fowl that go broody well to hatch what you want to with. If you are gonna do something about your incubation situation, I can't say enough about how well sportsmans work, even if you aren't going to do large quantities, it will still pay for itself over time. With them, all you have to do is turn em on, and keep the trays full of water and you will get good hatches. They can even handle exterior temperature variances quite well.

i don't know a sportsman, is that a machinebrand ? i have a full automatic machine where i only need to keep the tray filled with water (and i can adjust airinlet manually) the thermometer is in fahrenheit, we use celsius, is 96-98 degrees F right ?. hhmm i realize i haven't tested the thermometer for giving the correct temp.

http://link.marktplaats.nl/348990794
This the exact machine, mine is brandnew, and so far 4 different clutches same story. (even some eggs that have been hatched halfway with a hen)

If you got your temp set at 96 to 98, that is your problem. You should be at around 100 degrees. You know you have it right when your eggs take 21 days to hatch, but 96 to 98 is definitely too low. I run my sportsman at 100 to 101. The other most common problem is humidity, how much humidity are you running? Does that incubator turn your eggs? Here is a sportsman, just so you can see.

Is everything there in the Netherlands, or Europe in general, that expensive? It holds 24 eggs and costs € 235 ($287.00). Shopping comparatively, with $287 per 24 eggs, that would have made mine at about $574 instead of $186 (if I had gotten the turner) when I got it, and it would make a sportsman at least $1,291.50 instead of $659.00 based on the info I've found.

I can cram 100 eggs into my little incubator (Electronic Thermostat Hova-bator Incubator #ETPW) that only cost me $120.00 when I got it without a turner, now $146.95. If I used a turner (that would have added $66.00) though, it would only hold about 48 eggs I think. If I had the turner for it, I wouldn't have to do anything but add water and it works great with fluctuating room temperatures. The house is heated with wood and the temperatures go way up and way down all the time. I still get great hatches.

This is a sportsman incubator. Expensive, but everyone I know who has one says that they work great.

My incubator is preset for 99.5ºF.


David