Onagadori Eggs for Sale
Educate yourself before buying
This is regarding so-called Onagadori, Onagadori Phoenix, American Onagadori, proto-Onagadori, proto-Phoenix (sometimes applied to a cross of a "proto-Onagadori" and a Phoenix) and every other ill-conceived term out there regarding the long-tailed fowl in the US. Ads with those catch phrases have been around for yrs, but seem to be on the rise as of late. I am posting this here not because of the members, who already know this, but I have realized this is a popular tag line in google's search engine and I need a place to host this. I am hoping would-be "Onagadori" buyers find their way to this thread in their searching.
There has been a recent string of "Onagadori Phoenix" eggs for sale on ebay and elsewhere. One seller in particular has been using photos of pure (imported from Japan) Onagadori in Germany to sell eggs from the US. So if you find an auction or web page selling "Onagadori" do some image googling and find out where that image really comes from. Chances are, if it looks like a real Onagadori, the image used is stolen intellectual property in violation of copyright laws
even if the photo is not watermarked.
One seller in CA requested photos from a forum member here. The seller conveniently forgot to tell the photographer that they wanted the photos to use in sales. The seller then placed their own watermark on the photos and now uses these photos to represent their own bantam Phoenix. The birds in these photos are clearly large-fowl and located in a northern climate, New Jersey, not California, as apparent by the ice on the ground. The photos are by chrisf and he took the photos at Cy Hyde's facility in New Jersey circa Dec. 15th, 2007. The photos are shown below with the rightful watermark.
Beautiful Phoenix with very nice tails. The Hyde line large-fowl are some of the best long-tail fowl in the US, but not quite Onagadori.
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The first issue I would like to confront is that these are two distinct breeds. Either a bird is an Onagadori or it is a Phoenix. It can not be both!
Someone saying "Onagadori Phoenix" is as absurd and false as someone saying they have "Buff Orpington Silkies" or "Polish Cochins". The two breeds do not belong or fit together.
Onagadori must have a 12 Ft tail consisting of at least ten ribbon-like feathers and have at least 4 Ft saddles.
Phoenix have 2 Ft to 5 Ft tails made up of wide, rigid feathers and 12 in to 18 in saddles.
Birds that have a mix of these traits are neither breed; mutts, mixes, crosses, and blends to put it simply. My own birds are results of recent crosses and I freely admit that. There is nothing wrong with crosses. They simply are not a set breed until they produce offspring with fairly consistent traits.
As a side note to this, the Onagadori is a Japanese breed and the Phoenix is a European breed. The Phoenix was developed in Europe from only a small amount of Japanese blood. The majority of the Phoenix's genetic make up is Leghorn and Modern Game. The latter is where the blue/slate standard leg color comes from. There are not any and never have been any Japanese Phoenix. There are no blue/slate legged Japanese long-tails.
While there are no known Onagadori in the US, we are fortunate enough to have real Phoenix. The majority of long-tails available in the US are either pure Phoenix or crosses with various other breeds.
Second, as stated above, there are no known true Onagadori in the US. There is not and never has been any evidence that proves otherwise. According to the Japanese standard, this is the bare minimum feather growth that a rooster must produce to be classified as an Onagadori: it must have at least three, preferably four, consecutive years of feather growth in the tail. Yearly feather growth must be in the range of 3 Ft. This puts the tail at near 12 Ft in length. In addition to that, the bird must also have saddle feathers between 1/3 and 1/2 the length of the tail. That would be saddles 4 Ft - 6 Ft in length.
Not only must it possess the length, it must also have fullness. An Onagadori must have at least ten feathers of extravagant length in the tail that have been non-molting for three to four years.
In short, for a bird to qualify as an Onagadori it must have a tail in the range of 12 Ft made up of at least ten feathers and also have 4Ft - 6 Ft saddles.
If someone claiming to be selling "Onagadori" can not provide proof of their line producing all of these traits, their line is not Onagadori.
Third, I would like to address the term "American Onagadori". This started showing up online after my co-author and I published our book on long-tail fowl. In it I gave a proposed American standard for Onagadori to help people in selecting for the necessary traits. This was titled, "American Onagadori Standard." It is an American standard, not an American breed and it was never intended to imply there are American Onagadori. The people who have perpetuated this are confused by adjectives. Not only that, but the birds they call "American Onagadori" do not even fit the breeding standard they cite.
The Onagadori is a Japanese breed and always will be. Just as we have Chabo here in the US and still call them "Japanese Bantams", so would the Onagadori be a Japanese breed even if bred on American soil because Japan is its country of origin.
Fourth, something that I still see a lot is people selling "proto-Onagadori". There are no living proto-Onagadori. They were in the past, gave rise to something better than themselves (Onagadori), did their job, and are gone. The term "proto" itself is a past tense prefix and can only be applied to objects of the past.
So, to would-be buyers of "Onagadori", "Onagadori Phoenix", "American Onagadori", and "proto-Onagadori", there are not any known Onagadori in the US! Save your money!
co-author of Long Tailed Fowl
, long-tail fowl breeder, and hobbyist researcher